1 00:00:23,089 --> 00:00:09,100 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:30,029 --> 00:00:26,040 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:33,569 --> 00:00:30,039 episode number 193 for the 30th of jun 4 00:00:36,210 --> 00:00:33,579 2012 not though as i'm recording this 5 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:36,220 it's actually the first of july 2012 at 6 00:00:40,650 --> 00:00:38,530 four o'clock in the morning because oh 7 00:00:42,570 --> 00:00:40,660 yes i'm gonna be clearer this year 8 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:42,580 clever this year i'm flying to the 9 00:00:46,590 --> 00:00:43,930 states in a few days and I thought I 10 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:46,600 know I know I hate getting jet lag when 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:48,100 I'm over there and staying up all night 12 00:00:53,250 --> 00:00:50,650 it's crazy so I thought I know I'll get 13 00:00:57,750 --> 00:00:53,260 up early all week this week four o'clock 14 00:01:01,740 --> 00:00:57,760 in the morning Priya just my my internal 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:01,750 body clock it's a nice idea trouble is 16 00:01:08,070 --> 00:01:03,970 for the past four or five days I felt 17 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:08,080 jetlagged jet-lagged even before i go i 18 00:01:13,109 --> 00:01:10,510 will let you know next week dear 19 00:01:16,980 --> 00:01:13,119 listener if this experiment is 20 00:01:19,830 --> 00:01:16,990 successful but let's look at this week's 21 00:01:22,490 --> 00:01:19,840 episode of the skeptic zone coming up I 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:22,500 interview Wilson to silver the editor of 23 00:01:29,969 --> 00:01:25,570 Cosmos magazine here in Australia now 24 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:29,979 it's amazing to think seven years ago I 25 00:01:34,859 --> 00:01:32,890 last interviewed Wilson to silver about 26 00:01:37,679 --> 00:01:34,869 cosmos magazine and that's when the 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:37,689 magazine was just launched of course 28 00:01:42,149 --> 00:01:39,490 Australian listeners will know cosmos 29 00:01:45,330 --> 00:01:42,159 magazine it's a famous magazine science 30 00:01:46,590 --> 00:01:45,340 magazine here in Australia and Wilson's 31 00:01:50,899 --> 00:01:46,600 going to tell us about the launch of 32 00:01:54,599 --> 00:01:50,909 their new pipe had edition very exciting 33 00:01:57,389 --> 00:01:54,609 sort of a very nice use of iPad 34 00:02:01,370 --> 00:01:57,399 technology Wilson will also tell us 35 00:02:06,209 --> 00:02:01,380 about the dangers of solar flares and 36 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:06,219 EMPs electro magnetic pulses could they 37 00:02:13,110 --> 00:02:10,450 fry the grid so to speak could they harm 38 00:02:15,530 --> 00:02:13,120 our electronics well they probably could 39 00:02:18,540 --> 00:02:15,540 that's coming up at the top of the show 40 00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:18,550 then after the break it's Maynard's 41 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:20,980 spooky action may not is going to be 42 00:02:27,510 --> 00:02:24,130 talking to what they call a prepper I 43 00:02:30,149 --> 00:02:27,520 promised somebody who prepares in this 44 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:30,159 case it's Tim Ralston who has a new 45 00:02:36,449 --> 00:02:34,480 series about a so-called doomsday prep 46 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:36,459 is but in this case Tim will be talking 47 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:39,450 about the dangers of well EMP 48 00:02:43,619 --> 00:02:41,950 electromagnetic pulses what they could 49 00:02:47,309 --> 00:02:43,629 do and what he intends to do if it 50 00:02:49,380 --> 00:02:47,319 happens to survive I found this 51 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:49,390 interview very interesting I've never 52 00:02:52,830 --> 00:02:50,640 really given much thought to 53 00:02:56,850 --> 00:02:52,840 survivalists or Preppers or things like 54 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:56,860 that but you know what there's a bit of 55 00:03:00,300 --> 00:02:58,170 common sense phone in there I think 56 00:03:03,809 --> 00:03:00,310 maybe I should go out and start learning 57 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:03,819 how to our make a campfire see what you 58 00:03:06,990 --> 00:03:05,470 think have a listen see what you think 59 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:07,000 coming up later in the show with 60 00:03:11,819 --> 00:03:09,730 maynards spooky action listen at the end 61 00:03:16,949 --> 00:03:11,829 of the show for details about how you 62 00:03:20,099 --> 00:03:16,959 can win a DVD of doomsday preppers now 63 00:03:23,190 --> 00:03:20,109 we've been getting so many entries in 64 00:03:25,380 --> 00:03:23,200 our religious limerick competition we've 65 00:03:27,569 --> 00:03:25,390 decided to extend it for one more week 66 00:03:29,789 --> 00:03:27,579 yes you have one more week well you've 67 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:29,799 got about three or four days I guess to 68 00:03:33,930 --> 00:03:32,290 really get your entries in so any 69 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:33,940 limerick based on a religious or 70 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:35,890 biblical theme send them in the winner 71 00:03:40,289 --> 00:03:38,260 will get the Christ conundrum the 72 00:03:43,170 --> 00:03:40,299 skeptics guide to Jesus by Andrew 73 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:43,180 Carruth autographed so if you have a 74 00:03:48,629 --> 00:03:46,090 religious a limerick please send it in 75 00:03:50,339 --> 00:03:48,639 will be getting so many and Stefan Soyka 76 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:50,349 the co-host the other coast will be the 77 00:03:56,220 --> 00:03:53,290 judge he's really been enjoying all 78 00:03:58,140 --> 00:03:56,230 those entries in fact we're going to 79 00:04:01,349 --> 00:03:58,150 send all the entries winning or not off 80 00:04:04,559 --> 00:04:01,359 to Andrew couth now before we get stuck 81 00:04:07,409 --> 00:04:04,569 into the skeptic zone this week a quick 82 00:04:11,930 --> 00:04:07,419 note for students everywhere why not 83 00:04:22,260 --> 00:04:11,940 visit w WX t second science net that's 84 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:22,270 www 60 sec 0 ND s CI e n c.net 60-second 85 00:04:28,710 --> 00:04:25,450 sides where you can enter a competition 86 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:28,720 you make a short video 60 seconds about 87 00:04:34,550 --> 00:04:30,849 a scientific topic and there are prizes 88 00:04:38,250 --> 00:04:34,560 to be won so your budding young 89 00:04:40,860 --> 00:04:38,260 filmmakers out there and teachers check 90 00:04:45,020 --> 00:04:40,870 it out 60-second science net enter a 91 00:04:47,430 --> 00:04:45,030 short science video prizes to be won 92 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:47,440 well I'm going to go downstairs now and 93 00:04:50,219 --> 00:04:47,860 have that 94 00:04:54,990 --> 00:04:50,229 very early morning cup of coffee get the 95 00:05:16,080 --> 00:04:55,000 old brain cells firing hopefully while 96 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:16,090 you enjoy the skeptics am and now i'm 97 00:05:21,390 --> 00:05:19,449 actually at the the office of Cosmos 98 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:21,400 magazine himself speaking with wilson 99 00:05:25,709 --> 00:05:22,810 the silver wasn't great to see you again 100 00:05:28,679 --> 00:05:25,719 absolute pleasure and i remember being 101 00:05:31,170 --> 00:05:28,689 in the customer's office seven years ago 102 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:31,180 when we were discussing this great brave 103 00:05:35,490 --> 00:05:34,330 new magazine on the on the scene and i 104 00:05:37,260 --> 00:05:35,500 can you believe that that was seven 105 00:05:40,589 --> 00:05:37,270 years ago seven years almost exactly to 106 00:05:43,559 --> 00:05:40,599 the date um it was on the winter 107 00:05:45,269 --> 00:05:43,569 solstice in 2005 yet away that we 108 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:45,279 launched and it was again on the winter 109 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:47,740 solstice this year that we celebrated 110 00:05:50,969 --> 00:05:49,210 the Simmons anniversary and we did our 111 00:05:52,529 --> 00:05:50,979 new thing which was launched the ipad 112 00:05:56,070 --> 00:05:52,539 edition in fact we launched it exactly 113 00:05:59,670 --> 00:05:56,080 90 7am which is when the Sun reached its 114 00:06:02,399 --> 00:05:59,680 highest point now I must say I'm so 115 00:06:04,649 --> 00:06:02,409 impressed because i really love when 116 00:06:06,390 --> 00:06:04,659 people get something like the ipad a lot 117 00:06:09,089 --> 00:06:06,400 of people don't take the ipad seriously 118 00:06:10,950 --> 00:06:09,099 enough i think personally I use it just 119 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:10,960 about everything except for washing the 120 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:13,240 dishes it's it's very useful and I'm 121 00:06:16,679 --> 00:06:14,440 sure there'll be an app for that before 122 00:06:18,929 --> 00:06:16,689 too long but what I really appreciate is 123 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:18,939 when people make that extra effort to 124 00:06:24,570 --> 00:06:22,210 really utilize what an iPad can do and 125 00:06:26,369 --> 00:06:24,580 me i just sit at home go thanks i'll 126 00:06:30,420 --> 00:06:26,379 have that download and i can really get 127 00:06:32,670 --> 00:06:30,430 a great deal of benefit out of it you've 128 00:06:36,300 --> 00:06:32,680 done exactly this with the the new 129 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:36,310 cosmos ipad edition yes we have um 130 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:38,680 they're the exciting thing was well be 131 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:39,969 good to go back seven years when we 132 00:06:43,619 --> 00:06:41,289 launched the print magazine we had a new 133 00:06:45,779 --> 00:06:43,629 way of doing stories we we weren't going 134 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:45,789 to be an even though an australian-based 135 00:06:49,379 --> 00:06:47,560 magazine about science we weren't going 136 00:06:51,029 --> 00:06:49,389 to be just about australian science we 137 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:51,039 wanted to do science all over the world 138 00:06:54,209 --> 00:06:53,050 we would have an australian perspective 139 00:06:55,949 --> 00:06:54,219 in that you know we look at the world 140 00:06:57,540 --> 00:06:55,959 differently we we don't look at from a 141 00:06:58,499 --> 00:06:57,550 u.s. perspective and 20 extent we 142 00:06:59,830 --> 00:06:58,509 weren't looking at an australian 143 00:07:01,390 --> 00:06:59,840 perspective we're looking at it as 144 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:01,400 well isn't it school isn't it's awesome 145 00:07:05,980 --> 00:07:04,610 that's always the the angle we took we 146 00:07:08,260 --> 00:07:05,990 also did something different at the time 147 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:08,270 in 2005 everyone was going shorter 148 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:09,650 shorter articles because there have been 149 00:07:13,540 --> 00:07:11,930 influenced by the internet what we did 150 00:07:15,310 --> 00:07:13,550 is when longer articles we were doing 151 00:07:16,689 --> 00:07:15,320 five thousand words five and a half 152 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:16,699 thousand words six thousand with 153 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:19,130 articles and we have now gone bigger 154 00:07:23,490 --> 00:07:21,050 we've gone nine thousand word articles 155 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:23,500 and we've established this niche 156 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:25,610 globally where we're really respected we 157 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:28,250 want like 45 awards in seven years we're 158 00:07:31,689 --> 00:07:30,650 respected because in fact we will call 159 00:07:35,469 --> 00:07:31,699 that the world come from science 160 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:35,479 journalists in Qatar hmm in Doha I was 161 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:37,610 introduced at one panel as the editor of 162 00:07:42,490 --> 00:07:40,520 world's only literary science magazine 163 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:42,500 and you know it struck me that that's 164 00:07:47,020 --> 00:07:44,450 actually true we're the only one now 165 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:47,030 okay so seven years have gone past we've 166 00:07:50,740 --> 00:07:49,250 changed the way you know the magazine is 167 00:07:53,230 --> 00:07:50,750 substantially different to that one that 168 00:07:55,270 --> 00:07:53,240 you saw originally is sure yeah but but 169 00:07:57,150 --> 00:07:55,280 in a way not to win on the same 170 00:07:59,350 --> 00:07:57,160 philosophies through it yeah it's it's 171 00:08:00,969 --> 00:07:59,360 recognizable as the same magazine in a 172 00:08:02,409 --> 00:08:00,979 way I think because it's bold and it's 173 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:02,419 colorful and it's grabs your attention 174 00:08:07,629 --> 00:08:04,610 you know the cover right off off the 175 00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:07,639 start as does the cover of the the ipad 176 00:08:11,110 --> 00:08:08,720 edition and that's just the beginning 177 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:11,120 well there you go the the ethic is all 178 00:08:15,070 --> 00:08:12,710 the way through it so we've always 179 00:08:16,450 --> 00:08:15,080 thought of Cosmos as an intelligent 180 00:08:18,850 --> 00:08:16,460 companion on the road to discovery that 181 00:08:21,070 --> 00:08:18,860 the kind of person that doesn't talk to 182 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:21,080 you doesn't talk down to you but it's 183 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:22,490 just really excited and wants to go on 184 00:08:26,469 --> 00:08:24,110 this road with you always thought of 185 00:08:28,450 --> 00:08:26,479 that and we always have a tester filters 186 00:08:32,230 --> 00:08:28,460 that we run through four stories a story 187 00:08:34,779 --> 00:08:32,240 has to be amazing surprising or deep or 188 00:08:36,430 --> 00:08:34,789 it can be all of those things and quite 189 00:08:38,589 --> 00:08:36,440 often they are something that big cover 190 00:08:40,930 --> 00:08:38,599 stories but they have to have one of 191 00:08:42,370 --> 00:08:40,940 those elements for them to work and we 192 00:08:43,719 --> 00:08:42,380 don't curator stories from so we've had 193 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:43,729 Margaret wertheimer's an Australian 194 00:08:49,780 --> 00:08:46,880 Living Los Angeles goes to to Antarctica 195 00:08:52,060 --> 00:08:49,790 and interviews Norwegians Swedes and the 196 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:52,070 New Zealanders we're reached in the 197 00:08:56,590 --> 00:08:54,650 story first so we're kind of lucky in 198 00:08:59,470 --> 00:08:56,600 that we've always been global okay from 199 00:09:01,390 --> 00:08:59,480 day one yeah we will however trapped in 200 00:09:03,490 --> 00:09:01,400 Australia in a sense that we produce 201 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:03,500 twist beautiful magazine it costs a lot 202 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:05,450 it costs 1095 an issue in it you know 203 00:09:08,829 --> 00:09:06,770 it's costing fifty nine dollars a year 204 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:08,839 to subscribe 46 issues and by the time 205 00:09:12,190 --> 00:09:10,970 it reached the US or the UK was so 206 00:09:14,050 --> 00:09:12,200 expensive with 207 00:09:16,510 --> 00:09:14,060 pinon distribution and all these fees 208 00:09:17,770 --> 00:09:16,520 that actually it made it even though it 209 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:17,780 was so expensive we still have fifteen 210 00:09:21,220 --> 00:09:19,850 percent of subscribers overseas and it 211 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:21,230 was you know but it's still expensive 212 00:09:27,250 --> 00:09:23,690 it's for the aficionado yeah okay come 213 00:09:28,630 --> 00:09:27,260 the iPad suddenly we can think hey we 214 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:28,640 don't have the costs of distribution 215 00:09:34,780 --> 00:09:31,130 shipping warehousing printing any of 216 00:09:37,060 --> 00:09:34,790 those postage so what can we do so we 217 00:09:39,250 --> 00:09:37,070 thought we'd double the amount of 218 00:09:42,370 --> 00:09:39,260 content so produced 12 issues a year on 219 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:42,380 the iPad we and half the price and 220 00:09:46,810 --> 00:09:44,090 that's what we've done with well this 221 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:46,820 user year luggage is um so you get so 222 00:09:49,210 --> 00:09:48,110 it's kind of odd because if you if 223 00:09:51,010 --> 00:09:49,220 you're a print subscriber you're 224 00:09:52,390 --> 00:09:51,020 thinking well how am I getting this 225 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:52,400 other issue as a print subscriber you 226 00:09:54,910 --> 00:09:53,570 get it for free you get the ipad 227 00:09:57,190 --> 00:09:54,920 editions for free so it's up to you to 228 00:09:58,900 --> 00:09:57,200 use as you wish yeah in fact as a print 229 00:10:00,250 --> 00:09:58,910 subscriber we treat you like a king in 230 00:10:01,510 --> 00:10:00,260 that you get everything you can eke it 231 00:10:02,830 --> 00:10:01,520 is a browser edition which I'll tell you 232 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:02,840 about a little bit later there's a whole 233 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:04,310 bunch of other stuff you get but the 234 00:10:06,850 --> 00:10:05,510 principle is get everything or you can 235 00:10:09,460 --> 00:10:06,860 just do iPad which means it's like you 236 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:09,470 know 25 bucks a year why have we done 237 00:10:15,070 --> 00:10:13,610 this is because we think that five years 238 00:10:17,590 --> 00:10:15,080 from now eight years from now at some 239 00:10:21,610 --> 00:10:17,600 point the transition from print to 240 00:10:23,620 --> 00:10:21,620 digital will be so complete that 241 00:10:26,050 --> 00:10:23,630 actually few publications in the world 242 00:10:28,090 --> 00:10:26,060 will be print and they'll probably be 243 00:10:29,770 --> 00:10:28,100 tablet of some kind or some other format 244 00:10:31,450 --> 00:10:29,780 we don't know they'll be digital of some 245 00:10:33,070 --> 00:10:31,460 kind yeah but that print will be 246 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:33,080 reserved from really special and maybe 247 00:10:36,490 --> 00:10:34,370 because muscle be one of those because 248 00:10:38,530 --> 00:10:36,500 it's lush it is gorgeous to look at but 249 00:10:40,590 --> 00:10:38,540 what we've tried to do is maintain that 250 00:10:43,570 --> 00:10:40,600 gorgeous feel in fact internally 251 00:10:45,310 --> 00:10:43,580 internally the joke is that we want to 252 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:45,320 write like New Yorker and look like 253 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:47,990 Vanity Fair and that's the ethic that 254 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:51,050 drives us can we make science so sexy so 255 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:53,630 exciting so without without downplaying 256 00:10:57,850 --> 00:10:55,040 it right it's really important to 257 00:11:00,280 --> 00:10:57,860 maintain that serious time it is you 258 00:11:01,990 --> 00:11:00,290 know science is science is important but 259 00:11:03,430 --> 00:11:02,000 it doesn't have to be overly serious you 260 00:11:05,740 --> 00:11:03,440 can still have a bit of fun yeah yeah 261 00:11:09,490 --> 00:11:05,750 yeah well I think I'll just grab my iPad 262 00:11:11,890 --> 00:11:09,500 at the moment so we can discuss the very 263 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:11,900 issue I think what you've if you can 264 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:13,610 hold that and we can have a little 265 00:11:18,670 --> 00:11:16,610 Explorer together through it what what I 266 00:11:20,590 --> 00:11:18,680 was saying earlier about the the look of 267 00:11:22,990 --> 00:11:20,600 cosmos which was so important the 268 00:11:24,780 --> 00:11:23,000 magazine not the TV series with Carl 269 00:11:29,070 --> 00:11:24,790 Sagan what we talked about last time I 270 00:11:31,290 --> 00:11:29,080 that's it is the fact that you've got 271 00:11:33,690 --> 00:11:31,300 these animations but they're used 272 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:33,700 sparingly and where appropriate now 273 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:35,050 we're looking at one and a brain cell 274 00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:36,490 which just disappeared in here it comes 275 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:38,440 again and look it looks fabulous it 276 00:11:41,550 --> 00:11:40,090 doesn't detract it doesn't say here's 277 00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:41,560 the animation look at me look at me it's 278 00:11:44,970 --> 00:11:43,180 just so it's an interesting sort of 279 00:11:47,070 --> 00:11:44,980 introduction to a story it is so it's 280 00:11:49,050 --> 00:11:47,080 focusing it's a picture of the story is 281 00:11:51,570 --> 00:11:49,060 called light switch it's got a single 282 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:51,580 brain cell focused on by what looks like 283 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:54,130 a laser beam the animation has a zoom 284 00:11:56,970 --> 00:11:56,050 into that and in the light beam lights 285 00:11:59,010 --> 00:11:56,980 up if you look at the print issue 286 00:12:01,290 --> 00:11:59,020 exactly the same there's a there isn't 287 00:12:03,270 --> 00:12:01,300 an animation obviously but the image is 288 00:12:05,310 --> 00:12:03,280 exactly in the recognizable with the 289 00:12:07,740 --> 00:12:05,320 ipad edition you actually once you're 290 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:07,750 inside a feature and if you're holding 291 00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:11,530 it in portrait mode you page up yeah 292 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:13,360 push the page up and push the page up 293 00:12:16,830 --> 00:12:14,710 and there's the first page second page 294 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:16,840 of way it's called snap to grid it just 295 00:12:21,150 --> 00:12:19,690 it snaps into position it's kind of a 296 00:12:23,490 --> 00:12:21,160 suit so what we're trying to do we 297 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:23,500 realize we tried the replicating the 298 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:24,610 book situation you have there with 299 00:12:28,050 --> 00:12:26,320 ebooks where you flip through and it 300 00:12:29,820 --> 00:12:28,060 because it's so image intensive it 301 00:12:31,830 --> 00:12:29,830 actually is overwhelming you actually 302 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:31,840 get tired of doing this all the time be 303 00:12:35,340 --> 00:12:33,610 cutting your finger flipping a finger 304 00:12:38,310 --> 00:12:35,350 because there's so much so if you go up 305 00:12:39,780 --> 00:12:38,320 and down if you swipe between articles 306 00:12:42,330 --> 00:12:39,790 but you go up and down within an article 307 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:42,340 now what that created for us so we're 308 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:44,710 now in this in section of page 3 of the 309 00:12:50,490 --> 00:12:47,050 the story light switch and there's a 310 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:50,500 half at the top half of the pic the page 311 00:12:55,980 --> 00:12:52,810 is what looks like cross a cutaway of 312 00:12:57,660 --> 00:12:55,990 the brain yeah now we thought if we're 313 00:12:59,370 --> 00:12:57,670 doing this what happens if you're due in 314 00:13:01,470 --> 00:12:59,380 the landscape loading so instead of 315 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:01,480 Jesus rejigging the text and the picture 316 00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:03,250 to landscape mode but we actually do an 317 00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:06,190 alternate landscape mode now is you zoom 318 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:09,820 in complete you have a complete screen 319 00:13:14,340 --> 00:13:12,610 is covered in the the cutaway of the 320 00:13:17,210 --> 00:13:14,350 brain and what's good you don't have to 321 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:17,220 double tap on a picture or tap and 322 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:19,690 expand your things you simply rotate the 323 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:22,450 iPad and the main picture on the page 324 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:24,490 comes up brilliantly and fills up the 325 00:13:28,110 --> 00:13:25,810 whole thing it does so we started 326 00:13:30,780 --> 00:13:28,120 thinking Alan this is this actually acts 327 00:13:33,090 --> 00:13:30,790 of axes are adding value to the reader 328 00:13:34,830 --> 00:13:33,100 yeah you you look at one of the problems 329 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:34,840 we have in print is always you trying to 330 00:13:38,130 --> 00:13:37,090 wrap stuff things in there's so much 331 00:13:40,050 --> 00:13:38,140 stuff that you do in picture 332 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:40,060 research that looks great but you can't 333 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:42,310 use everything and this allows us to use 334 00:13:46,290 --> 00:13:44,170 not only everything oh that should give 335 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:46,300 way to more detail and that was just a 336 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:48,310 picture on the pages is another page now 337 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:49,570 I know is it happen to be a picture on 338 00:13:55,100 --> 00:13:51,970 it you turned the iPad into landscape 339 00:13:57,060 --> 00:13:55,110 and Wolf upper comes this is a channels 340 00:13:59,130 --> 00:13:57,070 collection proteins on the surface of 341 00:14:02,220 --> 00:13:59,140 the brain it's stunning isn't it it is a 342 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:02,230 wonderful how pretty good looks so and 343 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:03,910 this isn't even the new one this isn't 344 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:05,830 even retina this is this is over there 345 00:14:10,770 --> 00:14:08,110 you go so and we can actually add 346 00:14:12,630 --> 00:14:10,780 animation so this is actually um instead 347 00:14:13,950 --> 00:14:12,640 of a breakout being a little a little 348 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:13,960 tucked in on the side you can actually 349 00:14:18,780 --> 00:14:16,990 fill up a full page with it you use a 350 00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:18,790 content as kind of the way to guide you 351 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:20,950 you guide your way through everything so 352 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:22,930 there's a tap at the top which always 353 00:14:27,780 --> 00:14:25,570 gets you to contents every single big 354 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:27,790 feature has a some element garments goes 355 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:31,030 on and on you notice how it's got that 356 00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:32,590 feel it still feels like a contents from 357 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:34,750 cosmos yeah yeah so if you're familiar 358 00:14:38,730 --> 00:14:36,010 with cosmos you're not going to be lost 359 00:14:40,110 --> 00:14:38,740 in this the important thing was where we 360 00:14:42,810 --> 00:14:40,120 have animations and we have lots of 361 00:14:44,460 --> 00:14:42,820 extra fun funds bells and some of them 362 00:14:46,770 --> 00:14:44,470 fun bells and whistles like that story 363 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:46,780 of malaria look at this now comes the 364 00:14:54,510 --> 00:14:52,570 mosquito so I a cross hairs it appears 365 00:14:56,130 --> 00:14:54,520 on the mosquito and it's a malaria's 366 00:14:58,590 --> 00:14:56,140 last and it's kind of like you know 367 00:15:00,660 --> 00:14:58,600 about targeting the mosquito okay a 368 00:15:01,740 --> 00:15:00,670 little bit of fun but we can have a 369 00:15:04,170 --> 00:15:01,750 little bit of fun every now and then as 370 00:15:05,820 --> 00:15:04,180 long as you don't overdo it the problem 371 00:15:08,670 --> 00:15:05,830 we noticed with a lot of magazines that 372 00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:08,680 have publishers who have gone on ipad is 373 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:10,720 their sink we could see it from a from a 374 00:15:14,190 --> 00:15:12,310 production perspective but they were 375 00:15:15,870 --> 00:15:14,200 thinking of okay we've done the print 376 00:15:18,180 --> 00:15:15,880 edition now let's do the ipad edition 377 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:18,190 what kind of doodads can we add to it 378 00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:21,850 right not not Wow let's do it again from 379 00:15:25,710 --> 00:15:23,680 a different angle but what kind of 380 00:15:28,980 --> 00:15:25,720 doodads can so they just want to bolt on 381 00:15:30,180 --> 00:15:28,990 and you don't want to alienate readers 382 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:30,190 do you don't want somebody who's been 383 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:32,410 enjoying cosmos for many years on there 384 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:36,010 in the magazine edition form suddenly 385 00:15:39,210 --> 00:15:37,510 downloading at night pad saying what is 386 00:15:41,820 --> 00:15:39,220 this this is it's important maintain 387 00:15:44,460 --> 00:15:41,830 design ethic but it's also was important 388 00:15:47,190 --> 00:15:44,470 not to just add stuff for the sake of it 389 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:47,200 okay it had to add to the story doesn't 390 00:15:50,610 --> 00:15:48,730 take the story a little bit further as a 391 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:50,620 make a comment there's a speak to the 392 00:15:54,180 --> 00:15:51,760 headline better does it 393 00:15:56,970 --> 00:15:54,190 you know you have to create a narrative 394 00:15:58,620 --> 00:15:56,980 arc as we like to call it them the it 395 00:16:00,120 --> 00:15:58,630 feels right when you're inside the story 396 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:00,130 you know you're in the malaria story you 397 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:02,590 there's little tricks even not even 398 00:16:06,330 --> 00:16:04,450 aware of but we've used the same color 399 00:16:08,670 --> 00:16:06,340 all the way through that this red that's 400 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:08,680 the blue I see it's all the way through 401 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:10,270 you see this kind of montage so you 402 00:16:13,530 --> 00:16:12,250 always feel like you see how the red is 403 00:16:16,110 --> 00:16:13,540 there in the pool quotes I see it yeah 404 00:16:17,940 --> 00:16:16,120 this subtly tells you that you're still 405 00:16:19,530 --> 00:16:17,950 in the malaria story it's just we've 406 00:16:20,970 --> 00:16:19,540 really put a lot of thought into design 407 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:20,980 so you never feel like you're totally 408 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:23,710 lost that's important because sometimes 409 00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:25,330 in magazines like we've seen like wired 410 00:16:28,890 --> 00:16:27,910 you there's one thing you can press in 411 00:16:30,390 --> 00:16:28,900 another thing you can press meant 412 00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:30,400 something you think where am I again 413 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:32,800 where am I yeah and here you can tap the 414 00:16:36,630 --> 00:16:34,390 screen and get up tap up the top here 415 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:36,640 yes get back to you always find your way 416 00:16:41,070 --> 00:16:39,130 back side posting was important or go 417 00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:41,080 through UK this kind of sounds like 418 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:42,880 simple but it only it only sounds simple 419 00:16:46,290 --> 00:16:45,130 once you've done it before you can 420 00:16:47,850 --> 00:16:46,300 before you've done it before you've 421 00:16:49,770 --> 00:16:47,860 learned these platforms and and figured 422 00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:49,780 how to do it there aren't any manuals on 423 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:50,800 this you've got to learn it as you go 424 00:16:55,380 --> 00:16:53,170 you just seriously the people we use 425 00:16:58,410 --> 00:16:55,390 wonderful people sitting based developer 426 00:17:01,020 --> 00:16:58,420 called umph the mo generation as the 427 00:17:03,870 --> 00:17:01,030 company but um prefers the platform the 428 00:17:06,210 --> 00:17:03,880 the platform is incredibly powerful and 429 00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:06,220 can do lots of things but there they 430 00:17:10,199 --> 00:17:08,440 haven't had people push the technology 431 00:17:11,220 --> 00:17:10,209 as much as we did so we're asking we're 432 00:17:13,290 --> 00:17:11,230 at the point we're asking them questions 433 00:17:14,490 --> 00:17:13,300 that they nobody'd ever ask them and we 434 00:17:16,410 --> 00:17:14,500 start doing things nobody has ever done 435 00:17:18,060 --> 00:17:16,420 because we really care about the content 436 00:17:20,730 --> 00:17:18,070 we produce and I really wanted to make 437 00:17:22,770 --> 00:17:20,740 an awesome magazine yeah yeah of course 438 00:17:23,730 --> 00:17:22,780 and it has to be said we've also want to 439 00:17:25,890 --> 00:17:23,740 be global because this is the thing 440 00:17:27,390 --> 00:17:25,900 about when your niche when your niche 441 00:17:30,420 --> 00:17:27,400 which is what science is science is an 442 00:17:33,060 --> 00:17:30,430 H+ in a nation magazine terms like you 443 00:17:34,350 --> 00:17:33,070 know woodworking or cycling magazines is 444 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:34,360 initialized is the nice you should 445 00:17:38,910 --> 00:17:36,850 skepticism what are their society this 446 00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:38,920 nature of innovation okay but get this 447 00:17:44,850 --> 00:17:40,720 in the ipad world or in the digital 448 00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:44,860 world you are borderless so if luckily 449 00:17:49,020 --> 00:17:46,270 we've always been a global magazine from 450 00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:49,030 day one so we can actually capture a 451 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:51,880 global market so the reason we have 452 00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,130 doubled the staff and we've invested so 453 00:17:58,110 --> 00:17:56,320 much and double the content in the ipad 454 00:17:59,970 --> 00:17:58,120 edition we added all these doodads and 455 00:18:02,430 --> 00:17:59,980 extra bits and the reason that we're 456 00:18:04,700 --> 00:18:02,440 staffing up to launch other publications 457 00:18:07,770 --> 00:18:04,710 is that we believe that 458 00:18:09,570 --> 00:18:07,780 there is a real global market in the 459 00:18:11,150 --> 00:18:09,580 cosmos feeling because the way cause 460 00:18:14,130 --> 00:18:11,160 must tell stories the way cuz most 461 00:18:15,690 --> 00:18:14,140 designs and and and it captures the 462 00:18:18,510 --> 00:18:15,700 world of science and we believe that 463 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:18,520 that market can be will buy the sort of 464 00:18:21,540 --> 00:18:19,809 thing so we're actually planning we've 465 00:18:23,570 --> 00:18:21,550 made an investment we've raised extra 466 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:23,580 capital we've made an investment to make 467 00:18:28,650 --> 00:18:26,530 cosmos the number one science magazine 468 00:18:32,430 --> 00:18:28,660 in the world in five years time that's 469 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:32,440 how ridiculous big hairy audacious goal 470 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:34,090 you're still here I mean we were 471 00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:36,970 discussing seven years ago the launch of 472 00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:38,950 a great new magazine all the best let's 473 00:18:43,049 --> 00:18:40,390 see how it goes and all the rest of it 474 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:43,059 Here I am visiting you seven years later 475 00:18:47,610 --> 00:18:45,610 not only as the magazine doing so well 476 00:18:49,020 --> 00:18:47,620 but you're launching this wonderful new 477 00:18:50,250 --> 00:18:49,030 part we haven't and look you know we're 478 00:18:53,970 --> 00:18:50,260 number one science magazine australia 479 00:18:55,290 --> 00:18:53,980 we've won 45 awards with where the 480 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:55,300 number one science news website in the 481 00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:57,250 country with 300,000 unique visitors 482 00:19:03,480 --> 00:18:59,679 every month in 1.25 million page 483 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:03,490 impressions we're and we have circulated 484 00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:04,720 we haven't art we're not the largest I 485 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:06,160 don't think science newsletter we're at 486 00:19:12,330 --> 00:19:08,290 dead i think the CSIRO is loud we're 487 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:12,340 25,000 subscribers weekly but we have 488 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:14,050 grown dramatically we've done a whole 489 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:15,910 bunch of things we also did a green 490 00:19:19,730 --> 00:19:17,290 lifestyle magazine years ago and we've 491 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:19,740 sold it we decided to focus on on 492 00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:21,640 science and in fact we change the name 493 00:19:25,169 --> 00:19:23,500 of the company from Luna media to cosmos 494 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:25,179 media oh wow we want to focus totally 495 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:27,610 and science everything science so we 496 00:19:31,140 --> 00:19:28,990 actually do a whole bunch of stuff we do 497 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:31,150 undergraduate post sorry undergraduate 498 00:19:34,770 --> 00:19:33,250 science careers guides post graduate 499 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:34,780 careers guides we do a lot of stuff for 500 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:36,640 universities with cat posters we work at 501 00:19:39,570 --> 00:19:38,410 the academy of science we so become 502 00:19:41,910 --> 00:19:39,580 there's a side of the business it's 503 00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:41,920 custom publishing which is people in 504 00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:43,840 science come to us what and say hey you 505 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:46,000 make science look fantastic can you I 506 00:19:49,290 --> 00:19:47,830 don't know do a post or a book for us or 507 00:19:50,970 --> 00:19:49,300 something we've even built websites for 508 00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:50,980 the federal government get away we have 509 00:19:54,650 --> 00:19:52,720 yeah so I don't know if you remember in 510 00:19:57,419 --> 00:19:54,660 2009 the international year of astronomy 511 00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:57,429 for National Science Week that year our 512 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:00,160 project was hello from Earth to create a 513 00:20:04,500 --> 00:20:02,170 website where you could type in a 514 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:04,510 twitter twitter of a message that was 515 00:20:07,710 --> 00:20:05,290 going to be sent to the nearest 516 00:20:10,980 --> 00:20:07,720 earth-like planet and that was us we 517 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:10,990 create an tastic yeah but it just just 518 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:13,450 as an aside I Twitter told me yesterday 519 00:20:15,769 --> 00:20:14,530 or the day before that the 520 00:20:17,180 --> 00:20:15,779 congratulations of 521 00:20:20,629 --> 00:20:17,190 Richard you've been on Twitter for four 522 00:20:22,609 --> 00:20:20,639 years I went what four years on Twitter 523 00:20:25,580 --> 00:20:22,619 and how many tweets have you done that's 524 00:20:27,469 --> 00:20:25,590 the frightening I don't have to have a 525 00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:27,479 bit scared to have a look now Wilson 526 00:20:31,609 --> 00:20:29,580 this is such a great addition on the 527 00:20:33,349 --> 00:20:31,619 iPad I mean for two reasons one its a 528 00:20:34,879 --> 00:20:33,359 wonderful use of the technology into 529 00:20:37,299 --> 00:20:34,889 it's an interesting read I mean my 530 00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,309 goodness me the articles in there and 531 00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:40,320 what's really exciting and exciting for 532 00:20:44,239 --> 00:20:41,580 our listeners all around the world is 533 00:20:46,580 --> 00:20:44,249 they can get this edition get free again 534 00:20:49,339 --> 00:20:46,590 free so you download the app for free 535 00:20:51,229 --> 00:20:49,349 that cosmos magazine is called and then 536 00:20:54,109 --> 00:20:51,239 you get one free issue which is the 537 00:20:56,930 --> 00:20:54,119 issue 43 the cover stories of solar 538 00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,940 apocalypse know how how it turns out 539 00:20:59,839 --> 00:20:58,320 that solar flares have actually way more 540 00:21:02,269 --> 00:20:59,849 powerful than we ever thought it's a 541 00:21:04,639 --> 00:21:02,279 really cool story actually we came 542 00:21:05,389 --> 00:21:04,649 across it at the triple-a s the annual 543 00:21:07,999 --> 00:21:05,399 meeting of the American Association 544 00:21:11,869 --> 00:21:08,009 advancement science last year that 545 00:21:13,759 --> 00:21:11,879 everyone thought that the 1999 solar 546 00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,769 flare was thought to be the biggest and 547 00:21:17,659 --> 00:21:16,080 the worst and that knocked out the big 548 00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:17,669 power level yet the Quebec power grid 549 00:21:20,629 --> 00:21:18,960 was knocked out they look at other 550 00:21:23,269 --> 00:21:20,639 effects but we thought that was the case 551 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:23,279 the worst case scenario it turns out the 552 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:25,710 science historians going back over old 553 00:21:33,229 --> 00:21:30,570 records pieced together that the 1859 i 554 00:21:35,959 --> 00:21:33,239 think it was rather than 69 1859 the 555 00:21:37,159 --> 00:21:35,969 first solar flare spotted they pieced 556 00:21:39,859 --> 00:21:37,169 together that actually that was like 557 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:39,869 four or five times more powerful now if 558 00:21:46,279 --> 00:21:43,769 that is the case when the that flare 559 00:21:47,659 --> 00:21:46,289 occurred there were the there weren't 560 00:21:49,369 --> 00:21:47,669 much electronics all over the world 561 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:49,379 there was basically you know a few 562 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:51,450 scattered telegraph networks which by 563 00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:54,570 the way caught on fire and telegraph 564 00:21:58,849 --> 00:21:56,070 stations you know people had to jump 565 00:22:00,499 --> 00:21:58,859 back from because of firing so but 566 00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:00,509 nobody put the two together you see and 567 00:22:05,479 --> 00:22:02,580 why would they exactly and there were a 568 00:22:07,849 --> 00:22:05,489 strange data collector strange things 569 00:22:09,649 --> 00:22:07,859 detected in Mumbai and whatever we're 570 00:22:11,479 --> 00:22:09,659 where there were stations collecting 571 00:22:12,589 --> 00:22:11,489 magnetic data but nobody had ever put 572 00:22:14,779 --> 00:22:12,599 the container together anyway they put 573 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:14,789 it it's a bit of a Miss mystery sort of 574 00:22:18,769 --> 00:22:17,369 a mystery story so putting all this data 575 00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,779 together they realized that this thing 576 00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:20,159 was like for four or five times worse 577 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:22,440 than Quebec in the 89 which meant that 578 00:22:25,129 --> 00:22:23,970 if it went off if something like and 579 00:22:27,139 --> 00:22:25,139 they don't know anything about it why 580 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:27,149 why does the Sun we know that Sun is 581 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:28,450 regular every 11 years 582 00:22:32,550 --> 00:22:30,490 with cycle of sunspots and solar flares 583 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:32,560 but nobody knows about this is there 584 00:22:35,670 --> 00:22:33,940 another cycle we don't know about where 585 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:35,680 flares are four or five times more 586 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:38,770 intensive well if it happened in 1859 it 587 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:40,510 could happen again but guess what if it 588 00:22:47,310 --> 00:22:43,210 happens this time we are a world that is 589 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:47,320 wired to the cahoots yeah so we talked 590 00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:48,190 to a lot of people around the world 591 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:49,600 about what would be the implications and 592 00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:51,490 guess what it's not good no I wouldn't 593 00:22:56,190 --> 00:22:54,190 think it would mean that banking systems 594 00:22:57,450 --> 00:22:56,200 would go down you wouldn't be able to do 595 00:22:59,460 --> 00:22:57,460 any banking transactions you'd lose 596 00:23:02,010 --> 00:22:59,470 commute to mobile communications in fact 597 00:23:03,810 --> 00:23:02,020 society as we know it and rely on it 598 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:03,820 would come to a thundering horse 599 00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:06,910 actually would it work and the question 600 00:23:10,650 --> 00:23:09,100 is how long it's not a case of it could 601 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:10,660 be down for a day it could be down for 602 00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:13,330 months or years because the transfer 603 00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:15,670 transformers below transfer that they 604 00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:17,680 don't have a these the huge transformers 605 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:18,700 they didn't have them sitting around you 606 00:23:22,050 --> 00:23:20,770 know you know on a shelf these things 607 00:23:25,260 --> 00:23:22,060 take years to build so they actually 608 00:23:27,870 --> 00:23:25,270 would have to order them and or build 609 00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:27,880 them new so but the great I mean it's 610 00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:29,350 not just a disaster source we called it 611 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:30,940 solar apocalypse because you know it 612 00:23:33,860 --> 00:23:32,290 does sound like apocalypse if your 613 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:33,870 mobile phone and your banking her out 614 00:23:40,410 --> 00:23:38,050 but actually it there is a way to avoid 615 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:40,420 it and that is to if you know it's 616 00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:42,970 coming turn everything off really yeah 617 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:45,640 well at least minimize the damage you 618 00:23:49,290 --> 00:23:47,650 minimize damage but get this to know 619 00:23:50,670 --> 00:23:49,300 that it's coming how do you know you 620 00:23:52,410 --> 00:23:50,680 need to know that the flare is coming 621 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:52,420 and there's only one satellite in 622 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:54,310 working order between us and the Sun 623 00:23:59,610 --> 00:23:57,250 right now that's a 15 year old satellite 624 00:24:01,850 --> 00:23:59,620 that could actually detect us and give 625 00:24:05,910 --> 00:24:01,860 at worst case scenario 15 minute notice 626 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:05,920 15 or with sorry best case best case 627 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:08,110 scenario 1 hour worst case scenario 15 628 00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:10,570 minutes and that is it that is what is 629 00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:15,160 between us and certain calamity well 630 00:24:21,150 --> 00:24:19,870 interesting one hour it would be so so 631 00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:21,160 that this is the thing we could we can 632 00:24:24,570 --> 00:24:23,590 actually the grid good news is we can 633 00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:24,580 actually avoid that we do have a 634 00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:26,350 satellite there and we need to be aware 635 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:28,600 of this and actually you know buttress 636 00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:30,610 that Network and put another satellite 637 00:24:34,770 --> 00:24:32,230 up there that's an example of a really 638 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:34,780 fun story you know it sounds a little 639 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:36,910 scary but actually it's it's a problem 640 00:24:40,050 --> 00:24:38,200 it's been realize that it's a problem 641 00:24:41,670 --> 00:24:40,060 it's got an element of history to it 642 00:24:41,910 --> 00:24:41,680 it's got element of physics and it's 643 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:41,920 going to 644 00:24:45,870 --> 00:24:43,510 element of Technology so that's just one 645 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:45,880 of the features one of the stories in 646 00:24:48,990 --> 00:24:47,890 the ipad edition so that's the one that 647 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:49,000 you should download that someone you get 648 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,010 for free of course hopefully having 649 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:52,960 tried that you'll download more and 650 00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:54,490 subscribe because it's only like 25 651 00:24:58,290 --> 00:24:56,590 bucks a year which i said it's it's half 652 00:24:59,970 --> 00:24:58,300 price so listeners if you go to your 653 00:25:02,010 --> 00:24:59,980 iTunes Store and search for cosmos 654 00:25:05,910 --> 00:25:02,020 magazine or indeed if you visit the 655 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:05,920 website which is wwan calm cosmos 656 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:08,770 magazine com are all the informations 657 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:10,570 there I can sincerely recommend it it's 658 00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:12,370 a great read and really an interesting 659 00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:15,100 and I keep coming back to this human 660 00:25:19,530 --> 00:25:17,560 interesting use of iPad technology which 661 00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:19,540 I appreciate I really appreciate when 662 00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:22,300 people go out there and use the thing to 663 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:24,100 its extent if you've seen it have you 664 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:26,770 asked meet some apps that kind of really 665 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:29,290 down in the mouth and others you can see 666 00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,210 that the developer really got it yes 667 00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:33,520 really understands the strength and the 668 00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:36,400 power of this platform and what's called 669 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:37,960 in science emergent properties emergent 670 00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:40,510 properties certainly arise where you 671 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:41,680 start doing things that even the 672 00:25:44,970 --> 00:25:43,210 developers the iPad didn't expect you to 673 00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:44,980 do but that's that's the cool thing that 674 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:46,270 must happen every day it happens every 675 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:47,530 day this is the wonderful thing about 676 00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,170 the not just I mean yes we've launched 677 00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:52,240 on the Apple iPad and eventually we 678 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:53,830 would love to go on Android in every 679 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:56,230 other form of technology but you know 680 00:26:00,660 --> 00:25:57,850 we've made a substantial investment to 681 00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:00,670 get to this point assuming that the ipad 682 00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:02,950 edition you know sells its pants off 683 00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:04,540 then suddenly will do the development 684 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:06,190 work on Android but it is these are 685 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:08,050 technologies are expensive they do 686 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:09,810 require investment having said that 687 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:12,130 hopefully you know we'll get such a 688 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:14,530 following under this that that will be 689 00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:16,690 able to do it the first four days within 690 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:18,910 the first four days we we had a thousand 691 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:20,590 seven hundred downloads so it's looking 692 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:22,210 good you know fingers crossed I'm not 693 00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,010 going to get too cocky but it's looking 694 00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:26,080 like Wilson to silver a great pleasure 695 00:26:29,730 --> 00:26:27,820 to talk with you let's make it less than 696 00:26:31,410 --> 00:26:29,740 seven years next time where let's do 697 00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:31,420 that after them thanks a lot absolute 698 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:44,450 hi this is brian dunning great news from 699 00:26:49,790 --> 00:26:46,770 the sceptile podcast the fourth book 700 00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,800 astronauts aliens and eight men is now 701 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:52,200 available this book gives you the tools 702 00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:54,690 to sort the solid from the silly and 703 00:26:59,780 --> 00:26:57,390 answer such questions as did stalin 704 00:27:02,870 --> 00:26:59,790 actually try to create an army of half 705 00:27:05,540 --> 00:27:02,880 ape half man super soldiers were the 706 00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,550 Apollo astronauts followed 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small I see everything 721 00:27:52,590 --> 00:27:49,090 you do and I'm going to make sure 722 00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,600 everyone sees to the secret of the Gypsy 723 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:54,640 queen the musical fairy tale from 724 00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,490 sceptile episode number 300 is now 725 00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,440 available as a fully illustrated 726 00:28:04,529 --> 00:28:02,320 children's paperback artwork by jesse 727 00:28:06,570 --> 00:28:04,539 horn it's a tale of a little girl who 728 00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:06,580 saves her kingdom when she is the only 729 00:28:10,649 --> 00:28:08,470 one who doesn't buy into the pop 730 00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:10,659 pseudoscience of the day it's a 731 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:12,820 wonderful positive story that teaches 732 00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,730 children the value of skepticism lots of 733 00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:17,440 fun to read and look at the pictures 734 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:19,870 while listening to the musical the 735 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:21,730 secret of the Gypsy queen is also 736 00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:25,809 available at sceptile calm / books every 737 00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:28,299 library should have one this is brian 738 00:28:34,769 --> 00:28:31,270 dunning from sceptile calm and remember 739 00:28:44,740 --> 00:28:34,779 you should always be skeptical because 740 00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:47,380 and now a new story that comes to us 741 00:28:56,130 --> 00:28:51,950 from news biscuit com homeopath to start 742 00:28:59,380 --> 00:28:56,140 offering assisted suicide remedy a 743 00:29:02,590 --> 00:28:59,390 homeopath in banbury has decided to take 744 00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:02,600 politics into her own hands and start 745 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:05,030 offering an assisted suicide treatment 746 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:07,130 the service will be offered to those 747 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:09,650 with terminal illnesses where 748 00:29:14,890 --> 00:29:12,050 traditional homeopathic treatments have 749 00:29:17,860 --> 00:29:14,900 not worked the number of eligible people 750 00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:17,870 is thought to be high the practitioner 751 00:29:23,530 --> 00:29:20,350 who goes by the name of chai windchime 752 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:23,540 explained that the remedy used has been 753 00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:26,090 through the emotional turmoil of death 754 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:29,600 which is then remembered and injected 755 00:29:35,890 --> 00:29:32,210 into the patient we take our special 756 00:29:38,380 --> 00:29:35,900 faucet hydrogen dioxide formula to a 757 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:38,390 funeral where it is surrounded by 758 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:41,690 morning people this emotional experience 759 00:29:47,170 --> 00:29:44,450 of someone passing is remembered by the 760 00:29:49,780 --> 00:29:47,180 special solution we take this back to my 761 00:29:51,850 --> 00:29:49,790 living room laboratory where it is 762 00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:51,860 diluted with more of the original 763 00:29:58,660 --> 00:29:55,040 solution to create a remedy that is so 764 00:30:00,940 --> 00:29:58,670 weak its strength is lethal when the 765 00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,950 time comes a family member can inject 766 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:03,200 the patient then wait for the treatment 767 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:07,730 to work ms wind chime continued be 768 00:30:12,850 --> 00:30:10,370 passing out room is painted lilac and we 769 00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:12,860 play whale song to create an atmosphere 770 00:30:18,730 --> 00:30:16,640 that is relaxed and peaceful which is 771 00:30:21,610 --> 00:30:18,740 just as well because the effects of the 772 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:21,620 treatment on the terminally ill can take 773 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:26,090 up to two years Brenda Roberts took her 774 00:30:31,270 --> 00:30:28,610 mother to the homeopath to assist her in 775 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:31,280 ending her life but was not happy with 776 00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,770 the results she got to the point where 777 00:30:38,830 --> 00:30:36,080 her quality of life was not what we 778 00:30:41,170 --> 00:30:38,840 wanted so we convinced her that life was 779 00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:41,180 not worth living so for her 50th 780 00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:43,580 birthday we all chipped in and paid for 781 00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:46,820 her trip to miss windchime and she went 782 00:30:51,340 --> 00:30:49,040 through the treatment that was four 783 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:51,350 years ago and we are still waiting for 784 00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,650 her to keel over scientists have studied 785 00:30:57,180 --> 00:30:56,960 the claims made by the homeopathic can 786 00:30:59,610 --> 00:30:57,190 we 787 00:31:01,440 --> 00:30:59,620 Eddie that this treatment works but is 788 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:01,450 professor Brown from the department of 789 00:31:06,810 --> 00:31:04,090 real life Oxford University said more 790 00:31:08,970 --> 00:31:06,820 people died on the toilet last year then 791 00:31:11,310 --> 00:31:08,980 died from this treatment he went on to 792 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:11,320 explain although those who practice 793 00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:13,510 alternative medicine will stand by their 794 00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:15,790 claims we found through extensive 795 00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:18,820 research testing and common sense that 796 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:20,800 death rates amongst the terminally ill 797 00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:24,970 are already quite high but miss win 798 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:27,520 chimed brush knee criticism offer velvet 799 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:30,490 coat and explained those than the 800 00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:32,530 business of scientific fact don't 801 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:35,740 understand the remedy or how it works in 802 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:38,950 fact as proof of its effectiveness last 803 00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:40,780 week a man came in having a heart attack 804 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:44,320 the remedy was so good that he died 805 00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:47,110 before we could administer it you can 806 00:32:02,790 --> 00:31:49,500 find the link to this amazing story at 807 00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:02,800 wwc AP exam TV the hand side is a 808 00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:04,840 podcast of the monthly lectured run back 809 00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:07,600 camera skeptics incorporating each month 810 00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:09,880 camera skeptics provides experts in 811 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:11,980 their field ranging from science and 812 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:14,050 philosophy to politics and national 813 00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:16,450 security with an opportunity to present 814 00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:19,980 their views you can find us at WWE 815 00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:24,310 embrace skeptics org dot au the hansard 816 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:40,470 here's Maynard spooky action at a 817 00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:46,730 ladies and gentlemen I've got a rather 818 00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:48,390 extraordinary person on the phone I've 819 00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:51,180 got Tim Ralston who's one of the stars 820 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:53,220 of doomsday preppers a new show on the 821 00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:55,890 National Geographic network Thursday 730 822 00:33:00,740 --> 00:32:57,960 on the National Geographic network Jim 823 00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:00,750 how are you I'm well thanks very much 824 00:33:07,660 --> 00:33:02,910 for having me look and he'll prepared 825 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:07,670 are you for an EMP attack well you know 826 00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:11,130 see that about half of the people here 827 00:33:15,290 --> 00:33:12,750 in the United States I wouldn't even 828 00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:15,300 know what it would be in Australia that 829 00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:17,460 even know what an EMP is or what it can 830 00:33:23,270 --> 00:33:20,430 do for myself I'm very well prepared for 831 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:23,280 the most the other people not so much so 832 00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,890 it's an electro electro magnetic pulse 833 00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,840 that's basically you go to switch 834 00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:30,000 flights on and nothing turns on well yes 835 00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:31,470 it's certainly something I've known 836 00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:33,390 about since the days of the Cold War 837 00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:35,820 where if you let an atomic bomb off it 838 00:33:41,150 --> 00:33:37,980 sends a huge electronic pulse over a 839 00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:41,160 period of great distance that just this 840 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:42,600 stuff's up everything I think it first 841 00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:45,090 happened in why in the 50s didn't it 842 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:48,360 yeah in 1965 they were doing some 843 00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:51,510 testing and 800 miles away Hawaii 844 00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:54,270 basically got shut down so you know 845 00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:56,100 that's the man made the threat but you 846 00:34:01,790 --> 00:33:59,010 know going into next year you know the 847 00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:01,800 entire globe could basically be on the 848 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:04,620 the map when it comes to the Sun 849 00:34:09,650 --> 00:34:07,110 shooting off you know it's solar flares 850 00:34:10,940 --> 00:34:09,660 which will have the same effect so you 851 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:10,950 know that's you know when they did 852 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:12,510 doomsday prepper they were asking me 853 00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:14,250 what would be the worst-case scenario 854 00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:17,550 and to me not living with power on the 855 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:20,550 power grid because we've all become so 856 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:22,650 accustomed to you know touching buttons 857 00:34:27,170 --> 00:34:24,810 and computers and everything we've lost 858 00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:27,180 a lot of real important survival skills 859 00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:29,310 to be able to you know live life day to 860 00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:31,500 day you know my grandparents used to 861 00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:34,590 make it a daily routine and it was they 862 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:36,780 never thought twice about being able to 863 00:34:41,330 --> 00:34:38,730 live without power but now nowadays we 864 00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:41,340 are all really relying on it so I'm 865 00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:42,750 hoping that nothing like that ever 866 00:34:46,660 --> 00:34:45,300 happens but you know we're preparing for 867 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:46,670 the worst and hoping for the best and 868 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:49,170 and also you should be it's not just the 869 00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:50,370 power will go off for a little while 870 00:34:54,830 --> 00:34:53,220 only only instruments and devices that 871 00:34:56,410 --> 00:34:54,840 have electronic chips in them will be 872 00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:56,420 permanently fried you 873 00:35:01,610 --> 00:35:00,060 unless you replace them exactly and you 874 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:01,620 know and if it happened on a global 875 00:35:04,610 --> 00:35:03,330 scale you know there's not many people 876 00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:04,620 that are actually making and we don't 877 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:06,270 even make transformers here in the US 878 00:35:10,270 --> 00:35:08,250 China is really the only one and north 879 00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,280 or south korea that are making them so 880 00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:12,960 you know it could take a good long while 881 00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:14,940 before you know you can come back and 882 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:17,100 and have that happen or you know as far 883 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:18,810 as have the power back you know it 884 00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:22,290 happened back in also 1859 where a huge 885 00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:25,710 solar flare hit the US and basically 886 00:35:30,110 --> 00:35:28,080 fried telegraph wires because there was 887 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:30,120 really no power at that point but still 888 00:35:35,570 --> 00:35:32,850 you know it got hit by a really massive 889 00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,580 solar flare so for us you know the whole 890 00:35:40,610 --> 00:35:38,160 prepping movement is just about being 891 00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:40,620 self-sufficient and knowing that it 892 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:42,180 could happen and if there's a chance 893 00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:44,310 that it could then you have to take you 894 00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:45,780 know steps to be able to prepare 895 00:35:50,570 --> 00:35:48,060 yourself to help yourself of course 896 00:35:52,610 --> 00:35:50,580 first and then to help your neighbors to 897 00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:52,620 you know come together and make it 898 00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:54,390 through any kind of catastrophe no 899 00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:56,460 matter what it is I know y'all just got 900 00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,010 done with some tremendous flooding down 901 00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,400 there in in Australia so you know it's 902 00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,320 one of those where people have that 903 00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,240 normalcy bias it'll never happen to me 904 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:08,160 you know and then when it comes and hits 905 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:09,570 you right in the face it's kind of like 906 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:12,090 well I guess it could happen to us and 907 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:14,490 that's after that point then people take 908 00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:16,530 preparing you know for the worst-case 909 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:18,900 scenario a lot more seriously I know 910 00:36:22,850 --> 00:36:20,610 here in the States after Katrina 911 00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:22,860 happened a lot of people saw a lot of 912 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:24,990 people died and because they weren't 913 00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:27,690 prepared so that really started a big 914 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:30,060 movement here in the US and it's it's 915 00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:32,130 gaining a lot of speed you know for for 916 00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:33,780 me as a prepper you know I go by the 917 00:36:37,580 --> 00:36:35,400 rule of three you know I have a backup 918 00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:37,590 to the backup to the backup and you have 919 00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:40,740 plan a B and C you know so I tend to 920 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:43,140 think that way and you know once you're 921 00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:45,450 at a great level of preparedness you 922 00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:47,550 know even it's big or small you know 923 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:49,560 that sense of calm comes over you and 924 00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:51,480 you know I think that a lot of people 925 00:36:57,350 --> 00:36:53,880 out there they can't handle that unknown 926 00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,360 factor you know what if and more they go 927 00:37:01,820 --> 00:36:59,520 and take matters into their own hands 928 00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:01,830 and make small adjustments to their life 929 00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,200 whether it be just having a week supply 930 00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:06,240 worth of food they feel a little better 931 00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:07,950 a little calmer so that it's something 932 00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:09,390 were to happen 933 00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:10,920 you know they could you know make it 934 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:12,510 through in and adjust to whatever 935 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:14,250 situation you know adapt and overcome 936 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:16,530 and I look look Tim what is it was the 937 00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:18,570 downside of all this preparation you're 938 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:20,280 obviously a very handy guy can do lots 939 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:21,930 of stuff around the house your self 940 00:37:25,820 --> 00:37:23,850 resilient not I mean you've got it all 941 00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:25,830 going on there what's the downside to 942 00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:28,200 having to live this way you know they're 943 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:31,740 there is no downside honestly and when 944 00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:34,650 you say this way it sounds like it could 945 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:37,470 be a negative end really it's all a 946 00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:39,930 positive for me it's great family 947 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:42,540 building time you know when I go quote 948 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,610 and train with the kids you know we just 949 00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:47,280 go camping but I go out there with you 950 00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:49,380 know an agenda to teach them things you 951 00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:51,720 know survival skills so as a parent I 952 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:53,220 feel great knowing that my kids can 953 00:37:58,340 --> 00:37:55,410 start a fire and build a shelter and you 954 00:38:00,620 --> 00:37:58,350 know here in Arizona most people die 955 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:00,630 within a mile of being saved you know 956 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:02,310 they just think about died of 957 00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:03,450 hypothermia up here in the mountains 958 00:38:07,070 --> 00:38:05,220 even though it's the desert it still 959 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:07,080 gets cold at night and and they just 960 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:09,690 don't have the basic skills and so for 961 00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:12,210 me it's everything is a positive i I 962 00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,750 really don't have any drawbacks at all 963 00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:17,760 and you know I've made it for me a 964 00:38:23,090 --> 00:38:21,240 business and it's been you know a good 965 00:38:25,610 --> 00:38:23,100 positive thing plus I get to help a lot 966 00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:25,620 of people and that's where the doomsday 967 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:27,270 prepper thing came in is you know now I 968 00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:30,450 get to talk to a ton of people and I 969 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:32,280 feel great helping them out knowing that 970 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:34,410 at least I've given them the seed to you 971 00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:37,680 know the go and plant and say okay I may 972 00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:39,180 be that guy will make it maybe you won't 973 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:40,830 I don't know if anything bad happens but 974 00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:43,080 you know I'm always glass is half-full 975 00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:45,900 kind of guy I don't want to look at it 976 00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:49,260 in any other way my way too short and 977 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:51,390 now it's him what would actually take on 978 00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:54,330 a national level for the government to 979 00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:57,240 make you and your family feel safe I 980 00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:58,740 mean well is there anything the 981 00:39:01,580 --> 00:39:00,300 government can do or someone above you 982 00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:01,590 that would make you feel a little bit 983 00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,180 more saver no um you know I I think that 984 00:39:10,580 --> 00:39:08,160 you know our government is doing a good 985 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:10,590 job phemus out there trying to spread 986 00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:12,450 the word in you know helping everybody 987 00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,790 prepare but unfortunately not everybody 988 00:39:19,070 --> 00:39:16,800 heed that warning and I don't think that 989 00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,080 the government can you know go out there 990 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:21,780 and force people to you know be able to 991 00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,410 take care of themselves unfortunately 992 00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:25,359 a lot of people that don't think 993 00:39:29,339 --> 00:39:27,700 anything ever ever in their life is 994 00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:29,349 going to happen bad for them they think 995 00:39:32,849 --> 00:39:31,089 that you know the stores will always be 996 00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:32,859 open and you know nothing will ever 997 00:39:37,319 --> 00:39:34,990 happen bad like I'm sure a lot of people 998 00:39:39,329 --> 00:39:37,329 in Australia thought now we're never 999 00:39:41,549 --> 00:39:39,339 going to have a you know a flood ever 1000 00:39:44,309 --> 00:39:41,559 again as big as that you guys had in 74 1001 00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:44,319 and sure enough last year it was you 1002 00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:46,049 know all the headlines were biblical 1003 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:48,609 floods and a lot of people i'm sure 1004 00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,210 we're caught unprepared and you know i 1005 00:39:56,430 --> 00:39:53,920 don't think that the government can ever 1006 00:39:58,980 --> 00:39:56,440 you know prepare enough for that I think 1007 00:40:00,930 --> 00:39:58,990 that it's everybody's responsibility you 1008 00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:00,940 know to take care of themselves there's 1009 00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,700 got to be some accountability and that's 1010 00:40:07,859 --> 00:40:05,920 where I think you know the prepping 1011 00:40:10,799 --> 00:40:07,869 movement is finally catching hold and 1012 00:40:12,539 --> 00:40:10,809 people are finally taking you know 1013 00:40:14,609 --> 00:40:12,549 matters into their own hands and they're 1014 00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:14,619 saying all right well I can take care of 1015 00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:16,180 myself I just need to get a few 1016 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:18,520 essential supplies and maybe a little 1017 00:40:23,549 --> 00:40:21,130 training and that's where we're hoping 1018 00:40:25,319 --> 00:40:23,559 to make a difference now to move what do 1019 00:40:28,589 --> 00:40:25,329 you think is the line between being 1020 00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:28,599 prepared and being alarmist do you think 1021 00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:32,260 there is such a thing um I don't I don't 1022 00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:34,630 think so I mean I think that every 1023 00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:36,609 person especially even on the show some 1024 00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:38,980 people may bring it to that you know 1025 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:41,529 extreme level but to one person's 1026 00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:43,690 extreme is another person's normal so 1027 00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:47,380 you know for me an extreme case is 1028 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:49,750 someone that's sitting at home and doing 1029 00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:52,089 nothing and sitting back going don't 1030 00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:53,710 worry the government will be here 1031 00:40:57,299 --> 00:40:55,750 they'll make everything better you know 1032 00:40:58,890 --> 00:40:57,309 as much as you like your government and 1033 00:41:00,660 --> 00:40:58,900 think that it's going to happen they 1034 00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:00,670 just can't be in all places at all times 1035 00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:04,240 to help you you know if so that to me is 1036 00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:07,720 extreme on the opposite way so I think 1037 00:41:13,019 --> 00:41:11,200 as long as you prepare in your inner 1038 00:41:15,150 --> 00:41:13,029 teacher comfort zone you know you're you 1039 00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,160 go within your budget don't go you know 1040 00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:17,680 getting into debt to be prepared as i 1041 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:19,630 said earlier it doesn't take a ton of 1042 00:41:23,309 --> 00:41:21,970 money to be prepared or be a prepper it 1043 00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,319 takes knowledge and knowledge is free 1044 00:41:28,049 --> 00:41:25,839 you know you can go out on the net and I 1045 00:41:31,799 --> 00:41:28,059 mean even on my blog site I give a ton 1046 00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,809 of tips everyday to people and you know 1047 00:41:35,730 --> 00:41:33,520 say here learn something every day if 1048 00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:35,740 you learn one thing it takes a couple of 1049 00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:37,060 minutes but that one 1050 00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:38,830 that you learn maybe the thing to save 1051 00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:41,260 your life so it's really simple thing 1052 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:43,420 one last tip before we go what's the 1053 00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:44,710 first thing that should be in our mind 1054 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:47,310 when an emergency happens Tim as we go 1055 00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,610 first thing is to be calm and assess a 1056 00:41:56,250 --> 00:41:53,680 situation I mean that's the first thing 1057 00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:56,260 when you react hey flee that's when you 1058 00:42:01,590 --> 00:41:58,690 get into trouble so it's it's to be able 1059 00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:01,600 to sit back take a deep breath and look 1060 00:42:06,810 --> 00:42:03,790 around and then you make the decisions 1061 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:06,820 at that point they say it like out of 10 1062 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:09,250 people eight of the people will sit 1063 00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:10,870 there in an emergency and not do a thing 1064 00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:12,940 one of the persons will run around the 1065 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:16,030 store or the the building you know 1066 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:17,530 saying this guy is falling and there'll 1067 00:42:22,050 --> 00:42:19,630 be a crazy person and then one person 1068 00:42:23,550 --> 00:42:22,060 will become assess the situation and 1069 00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:23,560 lead the other eight out of the burning 1070 00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,440 building so you know that's that's the 1071 00:42:31,290 --> 00:42:28,960 point is just to become and assess the 1072 00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:31,300 situation well that's good advice for 1073 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:33,160 you know the end of the world or the end 1074 00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:36,970 of a hot date there you go yes thank you 1075 00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:58,690 in a world where the truth is about 1076 00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:06,950 or messages are received for beyond 1077 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:09,950 and reason is sidelined for magical 1078 00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:18,290 oh please sweep them stand between but 1079 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:22,050 what date is it 787 thing this is 1080 00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:23,770 impressive if these are system present 1081 00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:25,420 they're not their photographs of Chinese 1082 00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:28,150 anthem it's not we are not well received 1083 00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:30,190 is a good guard we're fully don't 1084 00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:31,960 discuss cryptozoology on the show very 1085 00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,700 often because we don't know anything 1086 00:43:37,770 --> 00:43:36,160 about how the truth the price gets lower 1087 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:37,780 and lower and lower and then he hits a 1088 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:39,430 ceiling it's a ceiling for the room 1089 00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:43,930 skeptic to the cave and Moses hi 1090 00:43:50,590 --> 00:43:46,070 skeptics society find us on iTunes or 1091 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:50,600 you know don't the dirty disbelievers 1092 00:43:59,380 --> 00:43:56,930 episode 9 don't harsh my mellow man yes 1093 00:44:02,560 --> 00:43:59,390 dr. H in Richard Saunders attend a new 1094 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:02,570 age fair and rude words fly you know 1095 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:05,330 that being called clever is not always a 1096 00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:07,730 good thing the dirty disbelievers nine 1097 00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:11,420 and dirty disbelievers calm manner calm 1098 00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:13,190 that are you and where all the 1099 00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:19,520 conspiracies are so ya gotta kiss owwwww 1100 00:44:37,170 --> 00:44:34,380 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1101 00:44:39,590 --> 00:44:37,180 zone next week skeptic zone will come to 1102 00:44:41,850 --> 00:44:39,600 you from the San Francisco Bay Area 1103 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:41,860 where I'm spending a few days before 1104 00:44:47,010 --> 00:44:44,410 heading off to Las Vegas for the amazing 1105 00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:47,020 meeting and if you're in the bay area 1106 00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:53,380 check out w WB a skeptic org scroll down 1107 00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:54,520 there on the right and you'll see 1108 00:45:00,330 --> 00:44:57,190 details about my talk the downfall of 1109 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:00,340 power balance which will be on Wednesday 1110 00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:03,850 the 11th of july at lapenna loans which 1111 00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:07,260 is a six minute stroll from ashby bart 1112 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:10,030 station check out the website for more 1113 00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:12,810 details and i hope i can see you there 1114 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:15,790 I'm also very excited to be catching up 1115 00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:17,170 with the skeptics guide to the universe 1116 00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:21,520 people in the bay area before tam and my 1117 00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:24,220 dear friend Eugenie Scott from the 1118 00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:26,110 National Center for Science Education 1119 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:28,990 I'm looking forward to it all and I'm 1120 00:45:34,850 --> 00:45:30,850 looking forward to beating jetlag this 1121 00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:34,860 time haha wish me luck hasn't worked yet 1122 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:37,260 do you have a cure for jet lag 1123 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:40,090 international listeners there's no real 1124 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:42,010 cure is there something you have to sort 1125 00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:43,930 of get your mind around and your body 1126 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:46,600 around more importantly I guess thank 1127 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:48,850 you for those people who support the 1128 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:51,130 skeptic zone with your small 1129 00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:53,290 contributions each week less than a 1130 00:45:58,260 --> 00:45:55,600 dollar and thank you for those people 1131 00:46:01,740 --> 00:45:58,270 who occasionally chip in by sending in a 1132 00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:01,750 bit more in fact going to a very kind 1133 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:03,880 donation just last week I was able to 1134 00:46:10,290 --> 00:46:06,910 buy a mini tripod which i'll be using on 1135 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:10,300 my trip to the united states and ham las 1136 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:16,330 vegas thank you indeed but before I sign 1137 00:46:22,170 --> 00:46:19,450 off if you enjoyed the interview with 1138 00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:22,180 Tim Ralston the prepper getting ready 1139 00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:26,800 for all sorts of bad events may none has 1140 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:28,630 a couple of dvds from the series of 1141 00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:32,410 doomsday preppers to give away to some 1142 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:34,150 listeners all you have to do is write to 1143 00:46:41,220 --> 00:46:38,050 me that's Richard at skeptic zone TV and 1144 00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:41,230 tell me in a very short paragraph 1145 00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:44,260 what skills you have that you could use 1146 00:46:49,770 --> 00:46:47,260 to barter if the worst came to the words 1147 00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:49,780 if ur EMP knocked out all the power grid 1148 00:46:54,210 --> 00:46:52,390 and we're all left in the dark and you 1149 00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:54,220 had to get some food somehow what could 1150 00:46:59,970 --> 00:46:56,260 you do what skills could you offer 1151 00:47:01,980 --> 00:46:59,980 people to swap for a can of beans be 1152 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:01,990 interested to know what would you do 1153 00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:05,050 very short paragraph i will run that for 1154 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:07,240 a week and the the best two entries as 1155 00:47:14,010 --> 00:47:11,050 judged by maynard will receive DVD of 1156 00:47:16,650 --> 00:47:14,020 doomsday preppers well it's time for me 1157 00:47:19,859 --> 00:47:16,660 to put this microphone in my carry bag 1158 00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:19,869 and together with the video camera some 1159 00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:24,790 other equipment my new tripod my iPad a 1160 00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:27,369 little netbook for editing the skeptic 1161 00:47:31,710 --> 00:47:29,980 zone I wonder if there'll be any room 1162 00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:31,720 for my undershirts with all this and 1163 00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:35,020 I'll get ready to jet off to the United 1164 00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:38,080 States but for this week this is Richard 1165 00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:40,660 Saunders signing off early in the 1166 00:47:50,609 --> 00:47:47,230 morning from Sydney Australia you've 1167 00:47:55,230 --> 00:47:50,619 been listening to the skeptic zone visit 1168 00:47:57,690 --> 00:47:55,240 our website at www skeptics on TV for